tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-835218475794207821.post1050325402837819781..comments2024-02-08T04:20:25.937-06:00Comments on Enlightenment For No One: A Quiet MindMaury Leehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15069923174216911346noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-835218475794207821.post-20326131543732622782009-12-09T01:51:17.355-06:002009-12-09T01:51:17.355-06:00wonderful post, thank you Maury.
Something rings ...wonderful post, thank you Maury.<br /><br />Something rings very true xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-835218475794207821.post-4149646975671727452009-11-24T00:38:48.426-06:002009-11-24T00:38:48.426-06:00And by the way...the "knife incident" wa...And by the way...the "knife incident" wasn't some static, one-off "experience"...everything is the knife, now.No One In Particularhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13465987207757191972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-835218475794207821.post-73259451415944758762009-11-24T00:32:43.608-06:002009-11-24T00:32:43.608-06:00There may seem to be a process, with lots of level...There may seem to be a process, with lots of levels and variety of states that can be labeled...whatever, and the mind is absolutely determined to group and categorise and organise and have it all make perfect sense. And all that's a lot of fun to do. Yet it doesn't matter in the least. Just live...live life. Which is what is always being done in the first, last, in-between, and timeless "place".<br /><br />And thanks Maury, I avoid most non-dual jargon by not reading anything but Zena Henderson at the moment!No One In Particularhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13465987207757191972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-835218475794207821.post-36200323606623378782009-11-23T19:21:46.714-06:002009-11-23T19:21:46.714-06:00Msayers, always enjoy your comments. My wife liked...Msayers, always enjoy your comments. My wife liked it as well. <br /><br />"Once you realize what you really are, that becomes the first step. The unraveling is next, the painful dismantling of the ego. Is that true in your case?<br /><br />It's not that cut and dried. There is no straight line path. Unraveling of the ego happens before realization and after. <br /><br />Childhood is the development and refinement of the ego. Positionalities are established. Any severe shock to the ego will crack it. Some patch it up, some start looking deeper and the search is on. <br /><br />I did many years of therapy. I was willing to risk everything that I thought I was because the pain was too much, and without relief, suicide would have been a blessing. <br /><br />I did tons of unraveling, and remember having conversations in which I explained that I felt like I was dying. But it wasn't a physical death. It was ego death. <br /><br />I actually think that there are two ways of looking at ego death: one is that you dissolve into No One, the other way is that you expand into Everything. <br /><br />The experience of ego death is one side, satori is the other. I've experienced both. <br /><br />So, to answer your question, unraveling can happen before realization, and continues afterward. <br /><br />Before realization, you think you are doing it. After realization, it's more of a choicelees unraveling.<br /><br />Many have talked about the continued unraveling after realization. Satyam Nadeen describes it in "From Onions to Pearls." I think he called it "Deliverance."<br /><br />Many non dual teachers don't like the idea of levels of consciousness. I do. Realization happens at a certain level, but that is not the end. Realization isn't static. One may stay at that level, but some keep going. Again, not so much their choice, but an allowing for further, deeper realization. <br /><br />In many of the Zen schools, they tell a realized student to keep his mouth shut for 10 years after realization. Perhaps it's to grow into what is seen, sort of like dropping the pieces still hanging around.<br /><br />The personality doesn't go away. It is often more freed up to be its spontaneous self. It's just that it's known not to be who you are. <br /><br />You become a tool of Source. "Thy will, not mine," becomes a truism. And that can have more and more depth over time, even in a realized person.<br /><br />I hope this answers your question.Maury Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069923174216911346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-835218475794207821.post-51323717780872377632009-11-23T18:51:22.394-06:002009-11-23T18:51:22.394-06:00Suzanne, Similar, I'm certain of that. I'v...Suzanne, Similar, I'm certain of that. I've had similar experiences, such as your perception of the knife. (You're tagged for life with that one!)<br /><br />My depression and suicidal stuff was long ago. Don't know how I survived. And I could tell you a good one, like your knife thing, only it was while looking at my thumb. Only someone with a similar experience could understand. <br /><br />And "appreciated, by...guess who?" Well, no One and me. Yes, yes, I know, there is only one, but it's here in this body, now, and the perception is experienced here. <br /><br />Saw your interview on Conscious TV. Enjoyed it a lot. Refreshingly, not bound up non dual ideology.Maury Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069923174216911346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-835218475794207821.post-7702074996354130662009-11-23T06:57:18.114-06:002009-11-23T06:57:18.114-06:00What a neat insight into Maury! Thanks for lettin...What a neat insight into Maury! Thanks for letting us in. Something you wrote, "That something else isn't realization, because, after realization, there is still considerable unraveling to do.", is something I've been wondering about. I've heard that once you realize what you really are, that becomes the first step. The unraveling is next, the painful dismantling of the ego. Is that true in your case?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-835218475794207821.post-19943151493233847972009-11-23T06:39:50.674-06:002009-11-23T06:39:50.674-06:00Our stories are remarkably similar. Peace isn'...Our stories are remarkably similar. Peace isn't the goal...there is no goal...but it does seem to be a side effect.<br /><br />Lots of thoughts and conversations come up, and every last one of them is appreciated, by...guess who?No One In Particularhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13465987207757191972noreply@blogger.com