tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-835218475794207821.post2560280913075446217..comments2024-02-08T04:20:25.937-06:00Comments on Enlightenment For No One: The Semantics of EnlightenmentMaury Leehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15069923174216911346noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-835218475794207821.post-27104567294651147242008-09-23T21:37:00.000-05:002008-09-23T21:37:00.000-05:00what is there to teach, what is there to learn.whe...what is there to teach, what is there to learn.<BR/>when there is everything to teach and everything to learn.<BR/>without me, there is nothing.<BR/>and I am only playing a game with myself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-835218475794207821.post-5611988358355995382008-08-13T17:38:00.000-05:002008-08-13T17:38:00.000-05:00Eric, glad you enjoyed the post. Yes, we need to b...Eric, glad you enjoyed the post. Yes, we need to be aware of political correctness when it comes to speaking of this. At the same time, clarity of definition and the usage of words is important. <BR/><BR/>It almost seems like different teachers, schools, use different languages. Wish it were simpler, but wishful thinking doesn't do much. That's why I put it out there. <BR/><BR/>Where you disagree, I can only say that when the ignorance is removed, the suffering stops for who? <BR/><BR/>Do I need to be politically correct and say for the "apparent" self? <BR/><BR/>The self that no longer suffers, feels the gain. <BR/><BR/>Nisargadatta repeatedly said, "Come look from where I am. Then you will know." He also repeatedly told students, "I am speaking from absolute, not the person. <BR/><BR/>All I was really trying to get to was that enlightenment comes to some and not others. That ultimately there is no difference, doesn't change that fact. <BR/><BR/>My ability with words, may not be adequate to address this. I find myself falling outside of words into that empty space.<BR/><BR/>Enjoyed your comment, Eric. Write again.Maury Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069923174216911346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-835218475794207821.post-76965154053890324662008-08-13T11:43:00.000-05:002008-08-13T11:43:00.000-05:00Great post. Yes, many are lost in semantics...and...Great post. Yes, many are lost in semantics...and many who 'know' argue for their own way of phrasing things (with seekers and other teachers)...and thereby being very inflexible to the needs of the questioner/seeker. Having a personal, in-depth conversation with a teacher is the best way.<BR/><BR/>"The student goes to the teacher to hear this wisdom because he can't get it from his neighbor. Surely this points to the fact that enlightenment exists in some body-minds, and not others."<BR/><BR/>I do disagree with this portion. What this points to is the fact that ignorance (of the Self) exists in some and not others. It is the removal of ignorance that occurs, there is nothing gained and so no enlightenment to gain or exist in some but not others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com